Exegetical and Hermeneutical Commentary of Hebrews 12:7
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
7. If ye endure chastening ] The true reading is not ei, “if,” but eis, “unto.” “It is for training that ye endure,” or better, “Endure ye, for training,” i.e. “regard your trials as a part of the moral training designed for you by your Father in Heaven.”
what son is he whom the father chasteneth not ] The thought, and its application to our relationship towards God are also found in Deu 8:5; 2Sa 7:14; Pro 13:24.
Fuente: The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
If ye endure chastening – That is, if you undergo, or are called to experience correction. It does not mean here, if you endure it patiently; or if you bear up under it; but if you are chastised or corrected by God. The affirmation does not relate to the manner of bearing it, but to the fact that we are disciplined.
God dealeth with you as with sons – He does not cast you off and regard you as if you were in no way related to him.
For what son is he whom the father chasteneth not – That is, he evinces toward his son the care which shows that he sustains the relation of a father. If he deserves correction, he corrects him; and he aims by all proper means to exhibit the appropriate care and character of a father. And as we receive such attention from an earthly parent, we ought to expect to receive similar notice from our Father in heaven.
Fuente: Albert Barnes’ Notes on the Bible
Heb 12:7-8
If ye endure chastening
Chastening: what is it?
It is for chastening that ye endure–such is the reading and translation in the R.V. That is the purpose sought and prized; an end that sufficiently justifies God in such dealing with His sons, and that sustains His sons in experience of His dealing.
1. But what is chastening? Supposing we had a word that meant child-training, son.training, and this under the direction of a father who would spare no pains necessary for its perfect realisation, we should have exactly the corresponding term. But unfortunately we have not, and so we are driven to put up with the poor substitute chastening. The father knows his child, his capacities, and, therefore, all the possibilities that are locked up in his being; his opportunities as they lie in the pathway of life, and therefore his obligations; his propensities and habits, and therefore his perils; his hindrances and helps, and therefore his chances. The father yearns over his boy; labours to secure the highest outcome of his life; guards and directs him; will do anything and bear anything for his advancement. He wants him to be an ideal son; his pride and joy in every faculty and feature of excellence. He wants to make a man of him; so that the terms father and son, son and father, may never jar, as they dwell on each others lips, but may be as choice music to the ear, as beauty to the eye. For that end, with that hope, all is planned, all is done. It is at once the fathers care, he trains; and the sons ambition, he endures for the training. The application is obvious. It is for chastening that ye endure; to be sons, not in name only, but in deed and in truth; to come up, to be urged up to the standard. Such an issue may well reconcile us to all the pains and humiliations of the chastening. To have the mind enlarged, the heart purified, the life exalted, refined, transfigured! To lose all that is dross; to cast out all that is low and selfish!
2. Now for the word endure. This is no tame word. It Jeans something widely different from insensibility, or proud defiance. These Hebrews had joyfully taken the spoiling of their goods, not that they did not value them, not that their loss was no privation, but that they knew in themselves they had a better and an enduring substance in heaven. They had a boldness, a confidence, an exultation even. Endurance in them was the triumph of active faith in the recompense of reward. They were exercised, much exercised in their afflictions, and the exercise, like a Divine alchemy, was turning every constituent of distress into gold.
I. WHO DOUBTS THE NEED OF CHASTENING? Sin in one or other of its myriad forms has aggravated all the imperfections of inexperience, so that we require far surer correction and direction than a childhood and youth of innocence had ever called for.
II. WHO DOUBTS SHE SPIRIT IN WHICH THIS CHASTENING IS INFLICTED? Dictated by love, directed by wisdom, aimed at the highest ends, it has every quality to keep us alike from despising it or fainting under it.
III. WHO IS NOT DRIVEN TO RIGOROUS SELF-EXAMINATION? There is no talismanic power in afflictions, in pains and penalties, that of itself can correct and transform. Would we realise the profit our Father seeks, we must be exercised by our chastening. It calls for thought, for reflection, for faithful survey of our life, with its temper, aims, and spirit.
IV. WHO DOES NOT REJOICE IN THE ADVANCE OF CORRECTION AND GROWTH? The mastery of our evil tendencies, the due regulation of our desires, the elevation of our motives and aims, the higher and completer discharge of the claims of life, the stricter integrity, purity, and spirituality of our characters, the closer our likeness to Christ and our fellowship with God, these and kindred issues may well reconcile us to the pain, and sacrifice, and cost of the chastening, and make us kiss the rod with all praise. (G. B. Johnson.)
Gods medicine:
If a man be visited with a providential reverse of circumstances, if he be under oppression, if he be attacked by disease, if the delight of his eyes be taken away, methinks I hear God saying, Take this medicine; it is exactly suited to your case; weighed out by My own hand; take this medicine from Me. (R. Cecil.)
God dealeth with you as with sons
Life an education
I. GOD EDUCATES US BY MEANS OF OUR PHYSICAL NEEDS. Man is born naked and defenceless; if he would live he must obtain shelter from torrid suns and piercing cold; he must provide himself with food and raiment; he must, by means of his wits, be able to defend himself against enemies infinitely more powerful than himself. How is it that man alone, of all Gods creatures, is sent into the world unprovided with any of those things which are necessary to the support of physical life? It is because God dealeth with us as with sons. It is because life is meant to be to us, and to us alone, an education; and from the first we are pricked on by these goads of necessity. God has taken security that our work shall not be easy, that it shall not be mechanical; but that it shall tax our ingenuity and educe our mental powers to the uttermost. For man is born not only without instinct and without clothing, but without tools. Nature provides the lion with the claws and fangs which make it easy to seize its prey; the bee has in itself all the apparatus necessary for extracting honey, and carrying it, and building its cells, and acting out all its life-history; the spider has its wonderful film ready wound about its body, and the machinery for spinning many threads into one, and affixing it, and weaving its web; but man must first provide himself with external aid if he would hold his own, be it but a sharpened flint or a fishbone! Moreover, God has made man relatively one of the weakest of living things. His bodily powers are poor indeed compared with those of other creatures. What does it all mean? It means this, that God would educate us not chiefly in body, but in mind; it is by the brain that man has subdued the earth and become lord over all creation; it is the necessity of surmounting difficulties and guarding against dangers that has called forth all his resources and educated his faculties and perfected his powers. See, then, how large a part of mans education is due to his bare bodily necessities! In the endeavour to meet these he has invented all the industrial arts and sciences. And it is not only mental gifts which labour educes. Patience, endurance, forethought, courage–these and many other moral qualities are the outcome of that necessity for work which God lays upon us all.
II. GOD EDUCATES MEN BY MEANS OF THEIR MENTAL NEEDS. He has implanted in nature that which awakens curiosity in man, and He has implanted in man a hunger and thirst after knowledge and truth, and the result is education. Mans intellectual needs are not less imperative than his physical requirements; they must be satisfied at any cost. He must know all about the flowers at his feet; the science of botany is the result. He raises his eyes to the stars above; their mystery perplexes him; generation after generation he struggles with this mystery till little by little the secrets of the sky are discovered, and the great science of astronomy is pieced together. Curiosity awakened by shells and fossils has led to geology; curiosity about the antecedents of our race has led to history, and so forth. It is thus with all those departments of knowledge which are not purely utilitarian; they are all the result of the desire for knowledge implanted in us by God, acted upon by external nature. And there is in man another intellectual appetite nobler than any of these, which is most powerful in evolving his higher nature–I mean the love of the beautiful. God has clothed hill and vale, mountain and lake, sea and sky, with splendour of colour and form of which the eye never wearies. And further He has put something in the human heart to which these things appeal; there is a strange correspondence between the human soul and the beauties of nature; they were made for one another; there was meant to be action and re-action between them. When gazing on a sunset sky or a lovely scene we realise our immortality as at no other time; we feel that they have a message from God for us.
III. GOD EDUCATES US BY THE SORROWS AND TRIALS OF LIFE. In this matter also mans position is unique. The lower animals are almost exempt from suffering. It is true that they are liable to physical pain, but there is abundant evidence to prove that this pain is much less acute than in human beings, and in their case there is neither anticipation nor retrospection. But man, to whom was given the dominion over the brutes, man, who was made but a little lower than the angels, how different is his lot! He is born to sorrow as the sparks fly upward. He alone has to endure those mental and spiritual griefs compared with which bodily sufferings are as nothing. All his life is leavened with pain, with forebodings, with vain regrets, with unsatisfied longings. Why is this? Because life is an education; because God dealeth with us as with sons. Men ask why sorrows are permitted. As well might the flower ask why clouds and stormy days are permitted. As well might one expect blossoms and fruit without rain as expect that men can bring forth the fruits of righteousness without the discipline of sorrow. The saintliest of men have been always those who have suffered most; and it behoved even the great Captain of our salvation to be made perfect through suffering in order to teach us that only be who drinks the bitter cup and bears the cross of shame can hope to wear the crown of glory.
IV. GOD EDUCATES US BY OUR SPIRITUAL NEEDS. The most imperative want of our nature is to know God. Everywhere there is a belief in a God or gods, the instinct of worship, conscience more or less developed. Everywhere is felt the necessity of propitiating and being reconciled to the Invisible Power whom transgression has offended. And the more a man advances in holiness and moral greatness, the more is he impelled to make the thought of the Psalmist his own: Like as the hart desireth the water brooks, so longeth my soul after Thee, O God; My heart and my flesh cry out for the living God. And while he is ever hungering after God with a hunger which nothing on earth can appease, conscience is ever urging him to a closer and closer walk with God, and yet he never feels that he has fully attained or is already perfect. What is the reason why these strange desires and instincts have been implanted in man? What but the truth our text teaches that God dealeth with us as with sons? Just as God has given in the book of Nature that which educes and partly satisfies mans intellectual needs, so He has given us in Holy Scripture that which educes and ministers to our spiritual needs. The correspondence between our craving for knowledge, and the revelation by which that craving is met, affords the clearest proof that both are from God, and that in sacred things as in secular the main purpose of our life is education.
1. It throws light upon the mystery of the present. This earth is but the lowest room in Gods school; in other spheres and at other times the education which circumstances thwarted and hindered here will be carried on under happier circumstances.
2. And it throws light upon the mystery of the future. It affords one of the strongest arguments for a future life. For, of course, the education which is commenced here can be at best but in its initial stage when death removes us. (A. M. Mackay, B. A.)
Correcting a son:
Like as if two children should fight, and a man passing by should part them, and afterwards beat the one and let the other go free, every one that seeth this will say that the child which he beat is his own son: even so when God chastiseth us, if we submit. (Cawdray.)
Adversity a purifier
God often uses adversity as a purifier. The wintry snows that lie before my window here (at Saratoga) this morning will kill the vermin; so God sends wintry seasons upon His children to kill certain species of besetting sins. (T. L. Cuyler.)
Severe discipline
A child was taken ill with that dangerous disorder the croup. It was a child most ardently beloved, and, ordinarily, very obedient; but, in this state of uneasiness and pain, he refused to take the medicine which it was needful, without delay, to administer. The father, finding him resolute, immediately punished his sick and suffering son. Under these circumstances, and fearing that his son might soon die, it must have been a most severe trial to the father: but the consequence was, that the child was taught that sickness was no excuse for disobedience; and, while his sickness continued, he promptly took whatever medicine was prescribed, and was patient and submissive. Soon the child was well. Does any one say that this was cruel? It was one of the noblest acts of kindness which could have been performed. If the father had shrunk from duty here, it is by no means improbable that the life of the child would have been the forfeit. (W. Abbott.)
The stripes of love:
Fear not: these stripes are the tokens of His love. He is no son that is not beaten; yea, till he smart, and cry; if not, till he bleed. No parent corrects anothers child; and he is no good parent that corrects not his own. O rod, worthy to be kissed, that assures us of His love, of our adoption. (Bp. Hall.)
Fuente: Biblical Illustrator Edited by Joseph S. Exell
Verse 7. If ye endure chastening] If ye submit to his authority, humble yourselves under his hand, and pray for his blessing, you will find that he deals with you as beloved children, correcting you that he may make you partakers of his holiness.
God dealeth with you as with sons] He acknowledges by this that you belong to the family, and that he, as your Father, has you under proper discipline. It is a maxim among the Jewish rabbins that “the love which is not conjoined with reproof is not genuine.”
Fuente: Adam Clarke’s Commentary and Critical Notes on the Bible
If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons: his reason he illustrateth from the convertibility of sufferring affliction and chastening from God the Father, and being his child; If ye have a child-like sense of chastening, such afflictions and sufferings from him as the Father ordereth to you, so as quietly and patiently to bear them, and by faith expecting a saving issue from them; God the Father in love chastening you, beareth, carrieth, and offereth himself to you as a father to his son, full of grace and love, Lev 26:41; Job 13:15; Psa 89:30; Mic 7:9.
For what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? No son or child of God can be instanced in, who was capable of chastening, but more or less have felt it; even Gods only and best beloved One, Heb 5:8, for our sakes felt it, Isa 53:5. The interrogation is a vehement assertion, and so to be resolved.
Fuente: English Annotations on the Holy Bible by Matthew Poole
7. In Heb 12:7;Heb 12:8 the need of “chastening”or “discipline” is inculcated; in Heb12:9, the duty of those to whom it is administered.
IfThe oldestmanuscripts read, “With a view to chastening (that is, sinceGod’s chastisement is with a view to your chastening, that is,disciplinary amelioration) endure patiently”; so Vulgate.ALFORD translates it asindicative, not so well, “It is for chastisement that ye areenduring.”
dealeth with you“bearethHimself toward you” in the very act of chastening.
what son is he“Whatson is there” even in ordinary life? Much more God as to Hissons (Isa 48:10; Act 14:22).The most eminent of God’s saints were the most afflicted. God leadsthem by a way they know not (Isa42:16). We too much look at each trial by itself, instead oftaking it in connection with the whole plan of our salvation, as if atraveller were to complain of the steepness and roughness of one turnin the path, without considering that it led him into green pastures,on the direct road to the city of habitation. The New Testament aloneuses the Greek term for education (paideia), to express”discipline” or correction, as of a child bya wise father.
Fuente: Jamieson, Fausset and Brown’s Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible
If ye endure chastening,…. In faith, with patience, with courage and constancy, with humility and reverence: there are many things which may encourage and animate the saints to endure it in such a manner; as that it is but a chastening, and the chastening of a father; it should be considered from whence it comes, and for what ends; that it comes from the Lord, and is for his glory, and their good; the example of Christ, and of other saints, should excite unto it. The Jews have a saying q, that
“the doctrine of chastisements is silence;”
that is, they are to be patiently bore, and not murmured at. The Vulgate Latin, and all the Oriental versions, read the words as an exhortation; the former of these renders it, “persevere in discipline”; the Syriac version, “endure correction”; the Arabic version, “be ye patient in chastisement”; and the Ethiopic version, “endure your chastening”: but then the word, “for”, should be supplied in the next clause, as it is in the Syriac and Ethiopic versions, making that to be a reason, enforcing this,
for God dealeth with you as with sons: chastening is owning of them for his children, and it discovers them to be so, and shows that they continue such; he does not chasten them but when it is necessary; and whenever he does, it is in love and mercy, and for good, and in the best time, seasonably, and in measure:
for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? no one can be named, not the Son of God himself; he had the chastisement of our peace upon him; nor the more eminent among the children of God, as Abraham, David, and others; nor any in any catalogue, or list of them, such as in the preceding chapter; not one in any age or period of time whatever, in any bodies, societies, or communities of them, either under the Old or New Testament.
q T. Bab. Beracot, fol. 62. 1.
Fuente: John Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible
That ye endure (). Present active indicative or present active imperative and so just “endure for chastening.”
Dealeth with you ( ). Present middle indicative of , but this sense of bearing oneself towards one with the dative here only in the N.T., though often in the older Greek.
What (). Interrogative.
Whom (). Relative. Cf. Mt 7:9.
Fuente: Robertson’s Word Pictures in the New Testament
If ye endure chastening [ ] . Rend. “it is for chastening that ye endure.” A. V. follows the reading of T. R. eij if. Do not faint at affliction. Its purpose is disciplinary. Paideia is here the end or result of discipline. In ver. 5 it is the process.
God dealeth with you as with sons [ ] . The verb means to bring to : often to bring an offering to the altar, as Mt 5:23, 24; Mt 8:4. In the passive voice with the dative, to be born toward one; hence, to attack, assail, deal with, behave toward. See Thucyd. 1 140; Eurip. Cycl. 176; Hdt 7:6. The afflictive dealing of God with you is an evidence that you are sons.
What son is he whom the father, etc. [ ] . Some interpreters render, “who is a son whom the father ?” etc. That is, no one is a son who is without paternal chastening. The A. V. is better. The idea expressed by the other rendering appears in the next verse.
Fuente: Vincent’s Word Studies in the New Testament
1) “If ye endure chastening,” (eis paideien hupomenete) “As you all undergo (endure) discipline,” or child discipline, as every child of God does, Rev 3:19. Recall that the “ye” whom the writer addresses are “holy brethren” of the “house” or church that Jesus built, but not so holy that they did not sin or do wrong, for which God chastened them, Heb 3:1; Heb 3:3; Heb 3:6.
2) “God dealeth with you as with sons,” (hos huiois humin prospheretai ho theos) “As God continually deals with you as with sons,” as “those being prepared for heirship,” Deu 8:5; 2Sa 7:14; and heirship to royalty, a royal reign with Christ. No discipline of character and life development of body, mind, and spirit is more rigid than that required by children growing up to become kings and princely rulers, Psa 73:14; Psa 118:18.
3) “For what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? (tis gar huios hon ou paideeui pater) “For what son is there that (exists) whom a father disciplines not?” The rhetoric implication is that there is no son whom his father does not chasten or correct. Even so God chastens every child of his for sins of omission and commission, even for knowing to do good and being commanded to do good and doing nothing about it, Pro 13:14; Jas 4:17; Psa 89:30-34.
Fuente: Garner-Howes Baptist Commentary
7. For what son is he, etc. He reasons from the common practice of men, that it is by no means right or meet that God’s children should be exempt from the discipline of the cross; for if no one is to be found among us, at least no prudent man and of a sound judgment, who does not correct his children — for without discipline they cannot be led to a right conduct — how much less will God neglect so necessary a remedy, who is the best and the wisest Father?
If any one raises an objection, and says that corrections of this kind cease among men as soon as children arrive at manhood: to this I answer, that as long as we live we are with regard to God no more than children, and that this is the reason why the rod should ever be applied to our backs. Hence the Apostle justly infers, that all who seek exemption from the cross do as it were withdraw themselves from the number of his children.
It hence follows that the benefit of adoption is not valued by us as it ought to be, and that the grace of God is wholly rejected when we seek to withdraw ourselves from his scourges; and this is what all they do who bear not their afflictions with patience. But why does he call those who refuse correction bastards rather than aliens? Even because he was addressing those who were members of the Church, and were on this account the children of God. He therefore intimates that the profession of Christ would be false and deceitful if they withdrew themselves from the discipline of the Father, and that they would thus become bastards, and be no more children. (249)
(249) There is in this verse the word “sons,” to be understood after “all;” that is, “all the sons are partakers:” so Macknight and Stuart. As “sons” conclude the verse, the word is omitted here. Those who have only the name of Christians are called “bastards,” or spurious or illegitimate children, because they are not born of God, being only the children of the flesh. They are not Isaac’s but Ishmael, whatever their professions may be, and though baptized and partakers of all the outward privileges of the gospel. — Ed.
Fuente: Calvin’s Complete Commentary
(7) If ye endure chastening.The whole weight of ancient evidence is in favour of a change in the first Greek word. Two translations are then possible: (1) It is for chastening that ye endure: the troubles that come upon you are for disciplineare not sent in anger, but in fatherly love. (2) Endure for chastening: bear the trial, instead of seeking to avoid it by unworthy and dangerous concession; endure it, that it may effect its merciful purpose.
What son is he.Or, what son is there whom his father chasteneth not?
Fuente: Ellicott’s Commentary for English Readers (Old and New Testaments)
7. If More properly an affirmation without an if: It is for discipline that ye are suffering; God is dealing with you as with sons. These Hebrew Christians were the sons, and the persecutions they endured were a divine discipline.
Fuente: Whedon’s Commentary on the Old and New Testaments
‘It is for chastening that you endure; God deals with you as with sons. For what son is there whom his father does not chasten?’
For the truth is that their having to endure arises from God’s purpose to discipline and chasten them. They have to endure because God is dealing with them as sons, and that should be a comfort and encouragement to them. For, after all, what son is not chastened by a good father? And they should recognise that a good father does it because he only has his son’s best interests at heart. So let them realise that God’s present chastening comes to them because He is a good Father.
Fuente: Commentary Series on the Bible by Peter Pett
Heb 12:7-8 . Application of the word of scripture to the readers.
] If ye endure chastening . The opposite of this is formed by the , Heb 12:8 . The emphasis falls, therefore, upon ; and to explain as a “stedfast” or “persevering” enduring (Theodoret, Erasm. Paraphr. , Stein, Ebrard, Bloomfield, al .) is inadmissible.
] God deals with you as with sons , treats you as sons. By as harsh a construction as possible (comp. , Heb 12:5 ), Ebrard will have taken as a conjunction, and translates, espousing the incorrect reading (see the critical obs.) , “ for your instruction endure manfully, even as (or when, so long as ) God offers Himself to you as to sons! ”
For the genuine Greek formula , which does not occur elsewhere in the N. T., see examples in Wetstein.
. . .] sc . : for what son is there, i.e. where is there a son, whom the father chastens not? This comprehending together of (Bleek, de Wette, Tholuck, Alford, Maier, Kurtz, Ewald) is more natural than that one should regard alone as the subject: who is indeed a son, whom , etc. (Delitzsch, Moll, and others); or, with Bhme, as the predicate: of what kind is a son, whom , etc.
Fuente: Heinrich August Wilhelm Meyer’s New Testament Commentary
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
Ver. 7. God dealeth with you, &c. ] Corrections are pledges of our adoption and badges of our sonship. One Son God hath without sin, but none without sorrow. As God corrects none but his own, so all that are his shall be sure to have it; and they shall take it for a favour too, 1Co 11:32 .
Fuente: John Trapp’s Complete Commentary (Old and New Testaments)
7, 8 .] Application of the passage of Scripture to the readers .
Fuente: Henry Alford’s Greek Testament
7 .] First, as to the reading. As between and , the case stands thus: is found in “ minuscc. multis ut videtur ,” Tischdf. (edn. 7 [8]): in Chrys. (but more than doubtful: see below), in Thdrt. (also doubtful), in Thl. (certain). This is really all the authority that can be cited for it. is found in the six uncial MSS. which contain the passage, in about thirty cursive mss., in all the ancient versions (apparently): in all the Fathers who cite and explain the words: e. g. Chrys. (in whose text in this Homily (xxix.) the is evidently a correction to the later reading: for, after quoting the text as in rec., his sentence runs, , , , , : where it must be obvious to any one that ought to be , or the sentence is without coherence. In the Catena, this appears still more decisively: where he says, , , ), Thdrt. (in all probability: his present text runs thus: . But it is hardly possible that should be the exposition of , in the sense which the verb must bear in the rec. text, and it is here again to be suspected, as even Bleek confesses, that the has been a correction to the rec.), c. ( , , ). Of modern critical editors, Matthi regards as the right reading, Griesbach puts it in his inner margin, Lachmann of course adopts it, and Tregelles: also Tischendorf edd. 7, 8, but in his 2nd edn. he retained the rec.: as do Bleek, Tholuck, and Lnem.: and among ourselves, Dr. Bloomfield, who tries to explain the ( angebliche ) correction into by saying that “ seldom begins a sentence .” In the N. T., where stands alone without , it begins a sentence at least nine times out of ten. See Brder. is adopted and strongly defended, by Ebrard and Delitzsch. And it seems to me the only defensible reading. The mere fact that appears at first sight to yield a better sense, should never be allowed to weigh against the almost unanimous consent of antiquity. And if we examine closer this supposed better sense, we shall find it fail us. For first, the verb is not one which will bear the mere accidental sense thus given to it. The sense which we want, with , is, ‘If ye are suffering chastisement:’ asserting a mere matter of fact. can only signify, ‘ patiently to endure chastisement.’ Then, taking this only possible meaning, what have we? ‘If ye patiently endure chastisement, God is dealing with you as with sons:’ i. e. ‘your method of endurance is a sign of God’s method of treatment:’ a sentence which stultifies itself. Next, what is the sense with ? I see no reason for departing from that given by Chrys. in the Catena (see above): “It is for chastisement that ye are enduring, not for punishment, not for any evil purpose.” “Your , like His , will not be thrown away. He had joy before Him, you have life ( , Heb 12:9 ) before you.” Or if we please we may take , as c. above, imperatively: “Endure with a view to chastisement:” which sense however is not so good nor so natural, nor is it so likely, from the collocation of the words: for thus would come first, and it would probably be .
It is for chastisement that ye are enduring: as with sons, God is dealing with you ( , see reff., united with , , , , and similar adverbs, is common in good Greek of all ages. Bleek brings forward several passages very similar in construction to this: . . . ., Plato, Rep. p. 435 A: , , , &c., Stobus, c. 39). For what son is there (two other ways of taking the words are possible: 1. as Luther, adopted by Delitzsch, to make the subject and the predicate, “who is a son?” 2. as Bhme, to make the subject and the predicate, “of what sort is a son?” Both of these are bad: the former, from the exceeding harshness and oddity of the question, “what man is a son, whom, &c.?” the second, from the forcing of , where its natural sense serves, and from the absence of the art. before . As usually rendered, the question is exactly like [ ] ; Mat 7:9 ; Mat 12:11 . See also 1Co 2:11 , 😉 whom a father (possibly, ‘his father:’ for (not ) is one of those words which, from their being singular in their kind, often lose the article) chasteneth not ?
Fuente: Henry Alford’s Greek Testament
Heb 12:7 . The inference from the passage cited is obvious, , “it is for training ye are enduring (are called to endure), as sons God is dealing with you”. [ is common; as in Xenophon, ; and in Josephus, .] Their sufferings are evidence that God considers them His sons and treats them as such; for what son is there whom his father does not correct? similar in form to Mat 7:9 , ; . Whereas did they receive no such treatment, were they free from that discipline of which all (God’s children) have become partakers (as illustrated in chap. 11) then in this case they are bastards and not sons; their freedom from the discipline which God uniformly accords His children would prove that they were not genuine sons.
Fuente: The Expositors Greek Testament by Robertson
If. Greek. ei, but the texts read eis, i.e. Ye are suffering patiently for (eis) discipline.
dealeth. Greek. prosphero. Occurs in Hebrew twenty times; translated “offer”, except here. In this verse it is passive and means to do business with, deal with.
the = a.
not. App-105.
Fuente: Companion Bible Notes, Appendices and Graphics
7, 8.] Application of the passage of Scripture to the readers.
Fuente: The Greek Testament
Heb 12:7. , if) The necessity of discipline is asserted here, and in the following verse; but the duty of those who receive discipline at Heb 12:9, etc. Therefore in Heb 12:7, discipline is rather regarded than patience. In Heb 12:7; Heb 12:9, discipline at the same time comprehends rebuke; but in Heb 12:5, discipline is distinguished from rebuke.-) not merely . The condition of sons is most glorious.-) shows Himself in the very act of chastising.- , for who) It is taken for granted, that all need chastisement for a fault.
Fuente: Gnomon of the New Testament
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. Vulg. Lat., in disciplina perseverate; Rhem., persevere ye in discipline: neither to the words nor to the sense of the place.
. Vobis offert se Deus, Vulg.; God doth offer himself unto you. Exhibebit, or exhibet. Syr., , dealeth with you as with children.
, , his father.
Tremellius renders the Syriac, Endure therefore chastisement, because God dealeth with you as with children; which somewhat alters the sense of the original but gives that which is good and wholesome.
Heb 12:7. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
It is not a new argument that is here produced, but an inference from and an especial application of that foregoing, and the exhortation confirmed by it. There are three things in the words:
1. A supposition of the performance of the duty exhorted unto: If ye endure, etc.
2. The benefit or advantage obtained thereby: God dealeth, etc.
3. An illustration of the whole, by a comparison with men in their dealings: For what son, etc.
As to the First, the Vulgar reads, as we observed, Persevere ye in discipline; probably for reading , and taking in the imperative mood. But as is no proper Greek expression, so the sense is obscured by it. There is therefore a supposition in the words, If you do comply with the exhortation.
Both the words have been opened before. Schlichtingius, Grotius, etc., would have to signify only to undergo, to endure the sorrow and pain of afflictions, without respect unto their patience or perseverance in enduring of them. And so, saith Grotius, is the word used Jas 1:12; which is quite otherwise, as every one will discern that doth but look on the text. Nor is it ever used in the New Testament but to express a grace in duty, a patient endurance. So is it twice used in this chapter before, Heb 11:1-2. And there is no reason here to assign another sense unto it. Besides, a mere suffering of things calamitous, which is common unto mankind, is no evidence of any gracious acceptance with God. If ye endure; that is, with faith, submission, patience, and perseverance, so as not to faint.
The chastisement intended, we have before declared.
This, therefore, is that which the apostle designs: If,saith he, afflictions, trials, and troubles, do befall you, such as God sends for the chastisement of his children, and their breeding up in his nurture and fear; and you undergo them with patience and perseverance, if you faint not under them, and desert your duty, etc.And,
This patient endurance of chastisements is of great price in the ,sight of God, as well as of singular use and advantage unto the souls of them that believe. For,
Secondly, Hereon God dealeth with you as with sons. The word is peculiar in this sense. He offereth himself unto you in the , the habit of a father to his children.He proposeth himself unto you [as a father,] and acteth accordingly; not as an enemy, not as a judge, not as towards strangers; but as towards children.I think, He dealeth with you, doth scarce reach the importance of the word.
Now, the meaning is not, That hereupon, on the performance of this duty, when you have so done, God will act towards you as sons;for this he doth in all their chastisements themselves, as the apostle proves: but, Hereby it will evidently appear, even unto yourselves, that so God deals with you; you shall be able, in all of them, to see in him the discipline and acting of a father towards his sons. As such, he will present himself unto you. Wherefore,
Obs. 1. Afflictions or chastisements are no pledges of our adoption, but when and where they are endured with patience. If it be otherwise with us, they are nothing but tokens of anger and displeasure. So that,
Obs. 2. It is the internal frame of heart and mind under chastisements that lets in and receives a sense of Gods design and intention towards us in them. Otherwise no man knoweth love or hatred, by all that is before him; no conclusion can be made one way or other from hence, that we are afflicted. All are so, the best and worst, or may be so. But it is unto us herein according unto our faith and patience. If the soul do carry itself regularly and obedientially under its trials, every grace will so act itself as to beget in it a secret evidence of the love of God, and a view of him, as of a father. If our hearts tumultuate, repine, faint, and are weary, no sense of paternal love can enter into them, until they are rebuked and brought into a composure.
Obs. 3. This way of dealing becomes the relation between God and believers, as father and children; namely, that he should chastise, and they should bear it patiently. This makes it evident that there is such a relation between them. And this the apostle illustrates from the way and manner of men in that relation one to another.
Thirdly, For what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? Think not strange hereof; it is that which necessarily follows their relation, for what son.The apostle doth not take his allusion from matter of fact, but from right and duty: for there are many, too many sons, that are never chastised by their fathers; which commonly ends in their ruin. But he supposeth two things:
1. That every son will more or less stand in need of chastisement.
2. That every wise, careful, and tender father will in such cases chasten his son.
Wherefore the illustration of the argument is taken from the duty inseparably belonging unto the relation of father and son; for thence it is evident that Gods chastening of believers is his dealing with them as sons.
Fuente: An Exposition of the Epistle to the Hebrews
endure: Job 34:31, Job 34:32, Pro 19:18, Pro 22:15, Pro 23:13, Pro 23:14, Pro 29:15, Pro 29:17, Act 14:22
for what: 1Sa 2:29, 1Sa 2:34, 1Sa 3:13, 1Ki 1:6, 1Ki 2:24, 1Ki 2:25, Pro 13:24, Pro 29:15
Reciprocal: Pro 3:11 – neither Mic 7:9 – bear Zec 1:15 – for Joh 11:3 – he Eph 6:4 – but Heb 12:5 – the exhortation Heb 12:6 – and scourgeth Heb 12:9 – corrected 1Pe 1:6 – if
Fuente: The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge
Heb 12:7. Paul is making his comparison to an earthly parent who is the proper kind, not one who fails in his duty of controlling his children. God chastens his children for their good as do fleshly fathers their sons. Christians are exhorted to submit humbly to the chastisement from God, on the principle that His love for them prompts the correction.
Fuente: Combined Bible Commentary
Heb 12:7. It is for chastening (for filial chastening) ye endure; as with sons God deals with you (bears Himself towards you). The reading, It is for chasteningfor improvement as sons ye endure, has decisive support. It differs from the common text only by the addition of a single letter (us for u); and the use of the expression for is quite common in this Epistle (chap. Heb 1:14, Heb 4:16, Heb 6:16).
For what son is he (not who is a son, or what sort of a son is he, though each is a possible meaning) whom a father (or his fatherthe statement is quite general, and does not refer primarily to God) chastises not? Correction and chastening while character is forming is the condition of all sonship and of all true fatherhood, and our sonship in relation to God is no exception to the common law.
Fuente: A Popular Commentary on the New Testament
Observe, 1. He does not say, if ye be chastised, but if ye endure chastisements, God dealeth with you as with sons; if ye endure them with faith and patience, with submission and perseverance, so as not to faint under them.
Learn hence, That a patient endurance of chastisements is of great price in the sight of God, as well as of singular use and advantage unto us. Afflictions and chastisements are no pledges or assurances of our adoption, but when and where they are endured with patience.
Observe farther, from those words, What son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
1. That every one of God’s sons, more or less, stands in need of his fatherly chastisements.
2. That God is very careful, as a wise and tender father, to correct and chasten all his children.
3. That God, in correcting of his children, dealeth with them as with sons: He is the world’s sovereign but the believers father; as he is the governor of the world, he treats men righteously in his judgments; as he is the father of believers, he treats them graciously in afflictions.
Observe again from those words, If ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, (that is, all sons are partakers.) That all true children are under God’s fatherly discipline, are not his children, then are ye bastards and not sons.
Learn hence, 1. That God’s family or visible church in this world, has some bastards in it; sons that may have gifts and outward enjoyments, but are not heirs, and have no right to the heavenly inheritance.
Learn, 2. That this is a great evidence of it, that they are not the genuine sons of God, because they go unchastised; not that they are altogether without affliction, for they are in trouble like other men, but they are not sensible of divine chastisement in their afflictions, they do not receive them, bear them, and improve them, as such, but are impaired by their afflictions, rather than improved by them; they come cankered out of the furnace, and leprous out of Jordan; affliction, that should refine them form their dross, and purify them from their filth, boils their scum and impurity more into them.
Learn, lastly, That a joyous state of freedom from affliction, is such as we ought to watch over with great jealousy and fear, lest it should be a leaving us out of the discipline of the family of God; not that we may desire afflictions as such, much less excruciate and torment our selves; but we may pray that we may not want any pledge of our adoption, leaving the ordering and disposal of all things to the will of God.